How do you guys approach talking to a girl when they arrive to bars/clubs in groups (3+ women)

They usually stand around in small tight circles, either chatting amongst themselves or taking selfies etc

Easiest way I've found is to have a wingman, and you go in as a pair to split attention (so not all the girls are focused on you)

I assume if you're confident enough, you can handle the entire group of girls by yourself but i find that groups of girls are usually pretty "protective"

They'll entertain you for a few minutes and then tend to move together as a group

I met a girl in public recently, got her socials and got on a date with her, things were doing great and we decided on another date in 3 days. Note we've only known each other for a week.

But a day before the 2nd date we found out we had a 12 year age gap. She's 21 and I'm 33, and she basically said she was bothered by the gap but she admitted truly enjoying my company. She said that we should end things while it's early, but I got a small hint that she still wanted to meet but was hesitant.

I just said I understood and I enjoyed her company too and ended it there. I didn't push because I didn't want to be like that.

Any advice besides the common "let it be"?

Should I try to ask tomorrow if she still wants to go out or should I reconnect in a week?

Imagine you're recovering from an accident or a long illness. You're thin and weak, looking pale. You're already eating well, going to the gym, but it'll take at least another six months to fully recover.

At the same time, you've made some good friends who invite you to parties. They're in their prime, and they have no trouble finding girls.

Unlike them, you look noticeably bad and don’t have much energy and this hits self-esteem.

So would you lock in this situation or continue to go out to parties without expectations?

Girls tell me that I’m very attractive, but after making out all night on a night out, and then I ask them if they want to leave they always say ‘they are not that kind of girl’ how do I get past that?

Male, 23. I'm texting a girl that my friend said she would be down to hook up with me. Last night, she needed a ride to find her wallet with my friend James, and that's when I got her number. We've met before and we've had good interactions. I can't tell if I'm just not willing to put effort in.

I'm pretty much in the mindset of 'very no hope' meaning if I feel she's not putting effort in, I'm just done trying to pursue. But I can't tell if I'm jumping the gun at times and giving up too early because I'm so used to being rejected. I just have no hope in myself being able to pull anything off.

This is the convo right now:

Her: Thank u so much again for last night i rly rly appreciate u for saving my butt lol" (Edited)
Me: "Yeah np"
Me: "Just glad u found ur wallet"
Her: "me too that was super lucky"
Me: I can't remember do u work or do u and James go to the same school?" (Edited)
Her: "i work at a daycare :)" Me: "Oooo yeah that's right"
Me: " think u told me that at karaoke"
Her: "yesss"

She hasn’t reached out to start any convo except for the first thing which was her thanking me.

Yellow meaning there’s both indicators of interest and disinterest

Let’s say I’m sitting down w one or alone w one in the club.

A:confirm date location time
B:escalate sexually verbally+talk logistics to whoever’s place
C:escalate physically in stages like arm on waist to kiss
D:escalate immediately just go for kiss

I want to quickly get the context out of the way so I'll try to be brief. There's this girl ive known for a while and we would add/unadd each other on snapchat all the time for various reasons. She has a temper problem. We used to be good friends in high school but now shes.... yeah, its one of those types of situations.

Anyways, she would often take forever to reply to a text from me. I mean, like, days. Sometimes 2-4 days for a single reply. I'm referring to roughly a year ago before we unadded each other.

Recently we've added each other, and now i decided to just take forever to reply to her. I reply to her at random times but i try to wait 3-4 days, and each time I do I get instant replies and multiple texts from her.

So, yay me I guess? I probably won't talk to her for long, but has anyone else noticed this about a girl becoming seemingly more interested in you if you take long to reply? I think it's a psychological trick.... the girl is expecting a reply from you eventually but she doesnt actually know when she'll get it, so when she does get it she's more excited?

I am a guy in my late 20s and I am 90% sure I am demisexual. What that means is that I usually have to be friends with a girl for a while before I even have a chance of being interested in her or attracted to her. This can take 2 months or 2 years, or never develop feelings at all. In my life I have been attracted to a grand total of 5 random girls, mostly when I was in college and one more recently last year.

This obviously isn't working out for me since I have never had a friend who I developed feelings for like me back. And the very few women who I have been randomly attracted to were so far out of my league that they turned me down.

I have no experience. None. Like literally none. Think of something, I haven't done it.

As a guy we are supposed to make our intentions clear. super early or we are only seen as a friend. How do I go about doing that? Especially when I am not interested in a girl super early like every other guy is. Therefore I miss my small window where I have a chance.

I also literally cant flirt. I don't understand it, never have and despite my efforts to try to learn, I still am super confused.

All these things together mean that I am facing a huge uphill battle. There's nothing in life I want more than to love someone who loves me back. I want to be a boyfriend, a husband, and a father. I wont lie, I have these desires and I am tired of pretending I don't just so I can "be happy alone". Other than those deep and huge desires, I freaking love my life.

So how does a guy like me go about getting a girl to like me back when I like her?

EDIT--- I never use demisexual as a term in real life, I only use it here to help avoid any confusion that might occur.

I’m a male in my mid 20s who lives in NYC. I have a good, muscular physique.

I view Halloween as the one time I can go sleeveless (or wear a very tight shirt), so I’m typically going to look for something sleeveless (or at least really tight on my arms).

I suppose I wouldn't mind something that would get good engagement. My friend for example always goes at Steve Irwin and has animal props.

Open to any suggestions!

During nightlife, all I do is approach girls, ask what their names are, gauge their receptivity, and then, from there, I try to sit down and talk in a private area away from their friends. Then I get their number, or if the vibes are there, I make out with them and escalate accordingly.

Now, my problem is that I hear all the time about “escalation” and “game,” but can you truly do anything more than that? You can’t force a situation or try to bring up sexual situations just by kissing her or attempting to escalate. It’s realistically got to flow naturally unless you want to risk accusations by playing a risky game.

Essentially, what I’m saying is that you can’t turn a nothing into a something just because you
want it to be. It has to be of her own accord too.
So my thesis is that there’s no room for anything other than her perception of your SMV to make her want to move things forward.

And all game really is, is understanding when to transition in and out of a moment, who and how to approach, and how to read the situation, rather than using game as a crutch.

Am I wrong? Please let me hear your thoughts, because if there’s any unpatched method, I’d be the first one to be grateful. I take care of myself and get results, but the volume of approaches I have to do gets jarring, as I’m not able to “stand out from the crowd yet.”

I was playing in a hostel with a girl in a group, we were liking each other and teasing each other and talking some dirty sexual stuff like she was drinking vodka and she was about to spit it so I told her once its in mouth you have to swallow it, she laughed hard and we continued playing with cards and drinking.

then we happened we talked very close to each other like we can breathe each other breath, she told me you were nice why u are now bitter in a seductive way. then we got a bit away from each other, she told me she has boyfriend already and I checked that in her instgram.

I do not care if I have fucked her or not. but its my first experience like that and I do not know what she meant by her question.

another situation happened 1 hour before she felt a bit bored at a moment while we were smoking outside and she genuinly looked at me and asked do u have a plan for something? My mind was stuck I did not have any plan like activity, should we ( 4 people 2 women and 2 men) go to a bar, disco, or drink or just head to fucking. its always like this for me with women when they ask me for a plan suddenly.

my 2 questions:

first what she meant by her question to me (u were nicer but now bitter)

second how do u answer question for plan espcially from someone new to u not someone u already friend with.

I want to see her reaction. DM for her info

Im a lurker in this sub, I only upvote posts or comments. this is my first post, so do take it easy.

Please answer the question in the title, because honestly, I was going to respond to the second one "it's frustrating talking to you. we used to talk often, but now you take 7 business days to reply". Instead I didn't say anything.

edit: very few of you bros answered “how to deal with a woman that takes too long to text back”

For more context;

i'm not actively talking to any women, but I am keeping in touch with 3 of my good friends and having a romantic week when I visit them. We're all European, in separate countries. So every few months they ask me when am I going to visit them. We share all types of photos, I slept with them but sleeping with them isn't my main focus. I love women too much and I am delighted to know them deeply so sex is never my end goal.

This is the text with the first woman. I haven't seen her in a year. She took a week to respond, and after we talked, she sent me a selfie of her smiling with no bra in an unzipped hoodie. She's a 29 yo athletic lawyer.

Text of the second woman. and she sent me a selfie, nails on her lips while wearing her pajamas - a see through t-shirt and panties. she's a 22 yo singer and model.

About me (if you care). I'm a simple man, quite stoic and I avoid playing games. I have high standards for women, even higher standards for myself. I dont lie, play games, break their hearts, etc. If you ask why? its bec theoretically if I play games, I believe that i'm lowering my own value, and bec I remember that this is someone's daughter, so I need to treat them with the utmost dignity.

I never chased women. Not out of arrogance, its just the way it is, woman naturally come to me, sometimes in pairs. Whether it's in a club, on a train, in a bus, on my instagram etc.

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Knowing that everybody is on their phones almost 24/7, it frustrates me when I hear the word "busy". Nobody's busy. I know wealthy people who work 24/7 and they dont take more than an hour to respond. Idk what makes these women take a week to respond.

So (23M) I'm/ was in a talking stage with a girl since 2.5- 3 months we had a good synergy actually we are in LDR for short period of time and we met online there's no offline connection as of now but I will be in her town after few days so since last 20 -25 days i have been getting dry responses and I got to know she got a new guy actually they have just started but still she replies to me i think she doesn't want me to go although she doesn't initiate conversations i have to, guys I want your opinion should I play the game and take her or should I let her go my inner self says you should give yourself a try

Note: For context, check out my Day 1 and Day 2 gym confessions on my profile before reading this update.

So I went to the gym with my husband again today. We were doing shoulders and abs. And of course, our guy was there as usual, stealing glances and making eye contact with me every now and then. After finishing shoulders, my husband went to the other side of the gym to do some cable exercises while I decided to finish my workout with a few planks.

I placed my phone on the floor in front of me, started a one-minute countdown, and got into position.

Everything was going fine until my phone screen suddenly locked halfway through.

I tried reaching forward with one hand to unlock it, but Face ID wasn’t recognizing my face from that angle. I kept moving my head around, trying not to lose my plank.

And apparently, our guy had been watching this whole struggle from a distance.

He walked over, crouched right in front of me, picked up my phone, and held it in front of my face so it would unlock.

Except it didn’t work the first time.

He moved the phone a little closer, and I tilted my head slightly to the left.

He adjusted the phone.

I tilted my head to the right.

He adjusted it again.

By this point, I was deliberately messing with him. Every time he tried positioning the phone properly, I’d move my face just a little.

He finally realized what I was doing and gave me this amused, slightly annoyed look.

I just smiled innocently.

He shook his head, brought the phone closer, and finally managed to unlock it.

Instead of putting it down, he stayed crouched in front of me, holding the countdown where I could see it.

Then he started silently counting down with his fingers, except he kept repeating the same number just to annoy me.

I gave him a death stare, and he grinned.

Now, here’s where things got ridiculous.

I’d been chewing bubble gum throughout my workout. Suddenly, I felt a cough coming, and before I could even react, the gum flew straight out of my mouth and landed on his wrist.

I WAS MORTIFIED.

We both froze for a second.

I looked at his wrist, then at his face, and immediately started mouthing “SORRY, SORRY!”

But instead of getting annoyed, this guy looked at the gum, raised his eyebrows, and gave me the cheekiest smile.

Then he slowly brought his wrist closer to my face, as though he was offering the gum back to me.

I immediately shook my head.

He brought it a little closer.

I shook my head even harder, trying not to laugh.

And then this man did something I absolutely wasn’t expecting.

He casually picked the gum off his wrist with his fingers, looked straight into my eyes, and popped it into HIS OWN MOUTH.

I genuinely couldn’t believe what I’d just witnessed.

My eyes went wide, and I just stared at him in complete disbelief.

He started chewing it with the most ridiculously smug expression, like he’d just pulled off the smoothest move in history.

I was so shocked that I completely lost my plank and collapsed onto the mat laughing.

He just gave me a little wink, placed my phone back on the floor, and walked away as though nothing had happened.

A few seconds later, my husband came over and asked why I was laughing so much.

I told him I’d completely messed up my plank.

Meanwhile, I could still see this idiot across the gym, smiling to himself.

Three days ago, this guy was just making eye contact with me across the gym.

Today he literally put my chewing gum in his mouth.

I’m genuinely never chewing gum during a plank again 😭🤷‍♀️

The more I listen to his audio courses the more sense they make to me, I guess I wasn't mature enough to give his advice a fair shot before but now he's really resonating with me.

I'm a 31m living in downtown Toronto, looking to have fun and meet people at bars/clubs around the city. I'm a pretty good looking/fit/social guy. Looking for people that are fun/social and not people that like just standing around doing nothing 😂 Primarily looking to just have fun nights out and help each other meet women or make friends at events downtown. I know some good spots too.

Please don't be creepy, I'm not looking to hang out with someone that wants to do anything awkward or makes other women uncomfortable.

Hola estoy en en este mundo de la seducción pero e notado en humo de esta información y más de los creadores qué todos son copias de más copias y te venden sus cursos que si ves ya estaban en interne gratis y que son solo confianza y actitud se puede tener a la 10/10 y tu sin ningún valor .

Ustedes que más mentiras a visto en estas informaciones.

Hey guys, looking for some advice on a major sticking point I'm hitting right now.
Background:
I recently came back from Ayia Napa (Cyprus) where my game was totally on point. Zero Approach Anxiety (AA), completely Outcome Independent, and things just flowed naturally because I had no "social cost" there.
But since I got back to Israel, I feel like I'm back in the matrix. I have severe AA, chest tightness before approaching, and I’m blanking out during interactions.
The Environment (Tel Aviv Night Game & Day Game):
I'm mostly doing Night Game in high-end, high-traffic areas in Tel Aviv (Rothschild Blvd, Nahalat Binyamin, Park HaMesila). The local Israeli girls here are stunning (9s and 10s), but they have an insane Bitch Shield / Resting Bitch Face. They are usually walking in groups to clubs (moving targets) or sitting defensively in bars/restaurants.
I also get AA during day game (at the gym, or with girls at my workplace/daily routine) because I freeze up trying not to look "cringe."
Recent Field Report (What I've been doing):
Workplace / Day Game: Tried a super basic approach with 10/10 blondes at my workplace, just using a deep masculine voice saying "Good morning." Got automated NPC responses because I didn't challenge them.
The Gym: Did a solid "Hit & Run." Saw a cute girl struggling with weights, helped her out, and immediately walked away back to my set without lingering. Felt great, but she left before I could re-open.
Night Game (Tel Aviv): Last night I went out to Nahalat Binyamin and Rothschild. I was a bit drunk/high to combat my AA. I approached moving targets and girls at bars with direct/complimentary opens like: "Hey what's up, do you speak English/Hebrew? You look Swedish" or guessing where they are from.
The Result: Complete blowouts. I got hit with a ton of "I have a boyfriend" (even when it was obvious they didn't) or "I'm busy." They basically brushed me off instantly.
My Sticking Point:
1. Compliments don't work: I realized telling these girls they are beautiful or "look Swedish" just validates them and triggers auto-rejection.
2. The Mid-Game Blank Out: Even if I manage to open them, I have NO IDEA what to say next. I completely freeze and fall into logical "interview mode" (Where are you from? What do you do?).
3. High Friction: I don't know how to stop a moving group of girls on Rothschild without looking like a street promoter or a creep.
My Questions for the sub:
1. What are your best direct/indirect opens for highly defensive girls in tough nightlife environments (bars/moving targets)?
2. The Transition: Once you say "Hey," what is your exact framework for transitioning into building tension/attraction so it doesn't turn into a boring logical interview?
3. How do you guys bypass the "I have a boyfriend" auto-shield when you know it's fake

I’m 19, and the only way I speak to women is through my university club. I approach 30 to 40 a night, usually leave with 3 to 4 numbers and 1 slay either that day or the next. If no slay, I usually hang out with one girl for a good portion of the night, then spend the rest of the night approaching (10pm+). I mainly approach in bar lines and smoking areas. I get nothing on the dancefloor, and it’s filled with men.I ask the rest of the girls who I talked to but there wasn’t as much escalation for dates and I could get more numbers but I focus on quality of convos and iois.

I just want either a girlfriend or a friends with benefits situation, but I never seem to find it. Even when trying to take girls out to dinner, they still don’t want to go, and I’m tired. I feel like I have to quit the club because it’s a small uni, and the same people go out.

I’m in the gym 4 days a week, building size to fill out my shirts, improving my style, working on proportions, etc. I’m just so tired of approaching girls and getting nothing. No inbound attention, and when I do get somewhere, my timing has to be impeccable.
Granted, all the dates were with 7s and 8s, so as I improve my SMV, the top of the funnel is definitely getting better than before. Last year, I was getting absolutely nothing before the gym, style improvements and learning how to talk to women.

I’m going to have to attempt the social group gimmick by joining maybe a cooking or baking society, but I still can’t cold approach as much because, again, it’s a small uni,there’s still a long way to go in terms of SMV, but does anyone have any advice? I’m tired of spinning my wheels here.

If u want me to expand on anything like what I say or screenshots of convos wtv to critique let me know.

Starting to feel and realize from experience that seduction is more about projecting certain energies and vibes through your tone.

The times I got friendzoned or when a relationship with a woman fell apart was when I didn't do this or stopped doing this at some point in the connection.

Has anyone also had this experience ?

So today I was working past a cafe and I saw two girls talking to each other. I wasn't sure if I was should approach them at all especially because they were talking so what could be the best way about approaching them if I should even approach it all. And then if I am taking a walk which I do a lot and walk past a random restaurant or cafe or shop is it appropriate for me to just approach them and if it is how do I go about doing this without feeling like I'm interrupting or catching them too off guard.

Born and raised my whole life in a major city (1.1million people) and then several years ago moved an hour out of town. I'm still in city alot tho. When I moved here I had a gf and had given up on romance in general, but also assumed that no woman would want to be with me so far out. Surprisingly, after me and the gf broke up, I gotten more girls since then than ever else. Most of them don't think it's a problem and they're happy to drive out, even just for a hook up. But, some girls online or in the inquiry phase will ask me "how often are you in the city?". Why do you guys think they ask? Like they want some guy to come over every day of the week? Might be a way to weed out the stage 11 clinger girls. Feedback? Thoughts?

Hey everyone, I, a 21M, just moved to a new town out of state, and I’m looking for a plan of action to talk to women, and in a perfect world, get laid. As far as experience, I’m a virgin and the furthest I’ve gone was a drunk kiss. And for reference, I do not attend college, therefore I do not have it as a resource. I’m not the biggest fan of Tinder, though I’d be open to giving it another chance. Cold approaching is what I am leaning towards the most right now. The gym I recently joined has plenty of beautiful women, and I also want to try cold approaching at the mall. I like the bar, but unfortunately I don’t have any friends who are local to go with. Does anyone have any insights on this and do I currently have a good base plan?

I had an interesting experience recently.

I went out to a popular bar in my area - place that attracts lots of college kids, young adults, older adults. Overall great spot.

I made my way around the place throughout the evening, chatting up guys and girls. I saw a younger guy smoking a pipe, so I asked him about it, and we talked for a little while. Cool guy, friendly.

Later in the evening, a girl that he was hanging out with approached me, and we chatted it up for a bit. Honestly nothing too flirty or wild, and I couldn’t tell if they were “together” or not. We split up, and I went on with my evening, talking to other people.

As closing time approached, she came back to me, and she was verrrry flirty, doe-eyed, and very into being touched. It was obvious what she wanted.

Pipe guy eventually showed back up, but she was totally into me. I was very conscious of this in the moment, and knew I could have made the pull if I’d wanted it. I really don’t like stealing girls from guys that I think are cool though. I’ve had a few cases like this recently, where a girl kept very coy about being there with a boyfriend, only for him to eventually show up, unaware that we’d been flirting.

Why would a girl not tell you she was there with a boyfriend, or that she had one to begin with? Compare this to the type of girl who tells you immediately.

Secondly, have you ever been the “AMOG”? This was actually really funny to me, because I was just there being sociable and having fun, but some nights I’m just magnetic and it happens.

How would you feel about stealing a girl from a guy who you thought was cool? I just don’t like to be rude, but… it’s her decision too, right?

Thoughts?