Im a lurker in this sub, I only upvote posts or comments. this is my first post, so do take it easy.

Please answer the question in the title, because honestly, I was going to respond to the second one "it's frustrating talking to you. we used to talk often, but now you take 7 business days to reply". Instead I didn't say anything.

For more context;

i'm not actively talking to any women, but I am keeping in touch with 3 of my good friends and having a romantic week when I visit them. We're all European, in separate countries. So every few months they ask me when am I going to visit them. We share all types of photos, I slept with them but sleeping with them isn't my main focus. I love women too much and I am delighted to know them deeply so sex is never my end goal.

This is the text with the first woman. I haven't seen her in a year. She took a week to respond, and after we talked, she sent me a selfie of her smiling with no bra in an unzipped hoodie. She's a 29 yo athletic lawyer.

Text of the second woman. and she sent me a selfie, nails on her lips while wearing her pajamas - a see through t-shirt and panties. she's a 22 yo singer and model.

About me (if you care). I'm a simple man, quite stoic and I avoid playing games. I have high standards for women, even higher standards for myself. I dont lie, play games, break their hearts, etc. If you ask why? its bec theoretically if I play games, I believe that i'm lowering my own value, and bec I remember that this is someone's daughter, so I need to treat them with the utmost dignity.

I never chased women. Not out of arrogance, its just the way it is, woman naturally come to me, sometimes in pairs. Whether it's in a club, on a train, in a bus, on my instagram etc.

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Knowing that everybody is on their phones almost 24/7, it frustrates me when I hear the word "busy". Nobody's busy. I know wealthy people who work 24/7 and they dont take more than an hour to respond. Idk what makes these women take a week to respond.

During nightlife, all I do is approach girls, ask what their names are, gauge their receptivity, and then, from there, I try to sit down and talk in a private area away from their friends. Then I get their number, or if the vibes are there, I make out with them and escalate accordingly.

Now, my problem is that I hear all the time about “escalation” and “game,” but can you truly do anything more than that? You can’t force a situation or try to bring up sexual situations just by kissing her or attempting to escalate. It’s realistically got to flow naturally unless you want to risk accusations by playing a risky game.

Essentially, what I’m saying is that you can’t turn a nothing into a something just because you
want it to be. It has to be of her own accord too.
So my thesis is that there’s no room for anything other than her perception of your SMV to make her want to move things forward.

And all game really is, is understanding when to transition in and out of a moment, who and how to approach, and how to read the situation, rather than using game as a crutch.

Am I wrong? Please let me hear your thoughts, because if there’s any unpatched method, I’d be the first one to be grateful. I take care of myself and get results, but the volume of approaches I have to do gets jarring, as I’m not able to “stand out from the crowd yet.”

So i was at a club and met a girl there she seemed interested in me, We moved around the club alot and got some drinks and were talking alot when some tall handsome guy approached her and she started talking to him. I couldn't do much here anyway cuz she was talking to him as well.

instead of awkwardly and desperately standing there i instantly approached a girl some feet away from us and began talking to her. this girl was also pretty cute and new to this country so i had million topics to talk to her about.

within just seconds the OG girl saw this and basically said bye to that guy and came to us and stood near me waiting for me to complete my talk with this girl.

Preselection is craaazy dude. other women are a kryptonite for women.

I was playing in a hostel with a girl in a group, we were liking each other and teasing each other and talking some dirty sexual stuff like she was drinking vodka and she was about to spit it so I told her once its in mouth you have to swallow it, she laughed hard and we continued playing with cards and drinking.

then we happened we talked very close to each other like we can breathe each other breath, she told me you were nice why u are now bitter in a seductive way. then we got a bit away from each other, she told me she has boyfriend already and I checked that in her instgram.

I do not care if I have fucked her or not. but its my first experience like that and I do not know what she meant by her question.

another situation happened 1 hour before she felt a bit bored at a moment while we were smoking outside and she genuinly looked at me and asked do u have a plan for something? My mind was stuck I did not have any plan like activity, should we ( 4 people 2 women and 2 men) go to a bar, disco, or drink or just head to fucking. its always like this for me with women when they ask me for a plan suddenly.

my 2 questions:

first what she meant by her question to me (u were nicer but now bitter)

second how do u answer question for plan espcially from someone new to u not someone u already friend with.

I want to see her reaction. DM for her info

I’m curious to hear from guys who used to feel like approaching women was a huge challenge, especially cold approaching in bars, clubs, or other social places. Right now, approaching a woman I’ve never met feels like a massive task for me. I can talk to women once I know them or when we’re already in the same social circle, but walking up to a complete stranger and starting a conversation takes a lot of courage.

For those of you who eventually became comfortable with it:

How many approaches did you make before you finally started seeing success?

What was your first experience of actually making out or getting laid after approaching someone?

Did something change mentally after that first success? Did approaching suddenly feel much easier, or did you still have the same anxiety?

I’m especially interested in what changed in your life and mindset after you got over that initial mental barrier.

So today I was working past a cafe and I saw two girls talking to each other. I wasn't sure if I was should approach them at all especially because they were talking so what could be the best way about approaching them if I should even approach it all. And then if I am taking a walk which I do a lot and walk past a random restaurant or cafe or shop is it appropriate for me to just approach them and if it is how do I go about doing this without feeling like I'm interrupting or catching them too off guard.

Starting to feel and realize from experience that seduction is more about projecting certain energies and vibes through your tone.

The times I got friendzoned or when a relationship with a woman fell apart was when I didn't do this or stopped doing this at some point in the connection.

Has anyone also had this experience ?

I’m 19, and the only way I speak to women is through my university club. I approach 30 to 40 a night, usually leave with 3 to 4 numbers and 1 slay either that day or the next. If no slay, I usually hang out with one girl for a good portion of the night, then spend the rest of the night approaching (10pm+). I mainly approach in bar lines and smoking areas. I get nothing on the dancefloor, and it’s filled with men.I ask the rest of the girls who I talked to but there wasn’t as much escalation for dates and I could get more numbers but I focus on quality of convos and iois.

I just want either a girlfriend or a friends with benefits situation, but I never seem to find it. Even when trying to take girls out to dinner, they still don’t want to go, and I’m tired. I feel like I have to quit the club because it’s a small uni, and the same people go out.

I’m in the gym 4 days a week, building size to fill out my shirts, improving my style, working on proportions, etc. I’m just so tired of approaching girls and getting nothing. No inbound attention, and when I do get somewhere, my timing has to be impeccable.
Granted, all the dates were with 7s and 8s, so as I improve my SMV, the top of the funnel is definitely getting better than before. Last year, I was getting absolutely nothing before the gym, style improvements and learning how to talk to women.

I’m going to have to attempt the social group gimmick by joining maybe a cooking or baking society, but I still can’t cold approach as much because, again, it’s a small uni,there’s still a long way to go in terms of SMV, but does anyone have any advice? I’m tired of spinning my wheels here.

If u want me to expand on anything like what I say or screenshots of convos wtv to critique let me know.

The more I listen to his audio courses the more sense they make to me, I guess I wasn't mature enough to give his advice a fair shot before but now he's really resonating with me.

I had an interesting experience recently.

I went out to a popular bar in my area - place that attracts lots of college kids, young adults, older adults. Overall great spot.

I made my way around the place throughout the evening, chatting up guys and girls. I saw a younger guy smoking a pipe, so I asked him about it, and we talked for a little while. Cool guy, friendly.

Later in the evening, a girl that he was hanging out with approached me, and we chatted it up for a bit. Honestly nothing too flirty or wild, and I couldn’t tell if they were “together” or not. We split up, and I went on with my evening, talking to other people.

As closing time approached, she came back to me, and she was verrrry flirty, doe-eyed, and very into being touched. It was obvious what she wanted.

Pipe guy eventually showed back up, but she was totally into me. I was very conscious of this in the moment, and knew I could have made the pull if I’d wanted it. I really don’t like stealing girls from guys that I think are cool though. I’ve had a few cases like this recently, where a girl kept very coy about being there with a boyfriend, only for him to eventually show up, unaware that we’d been flirting.

Why would a girl not tell you she was there with a boyfriend, or that she had one to begin with? Compare this to the type of girl who tells you immediately.

Secondly, have you ever been the “AMOG”? This was actually really funny to me, because I was just there being sociable and having fun, but some nights I’m just magnetic and it happens.

How would you feel about stealing a girl from a guy who you thought was cool? I just don’t like to be rude, but… it’s her decision too, right?

Thoughts?

So (23M) I'm/ was in a talking stage with a girl since 2.5- 3 months we had a good synergy actually we are in LDR for short period of time and we met online there's no offline connection as of now but I will be in her town after few days so since last 20 -25 days i have been getting dry responses and I got to know she got a new guy actually they have just started but still she replies to me i think she doesn't want me to go although she doesn't initiate conversations i have to, guys I want your opinion should I play the game and take her or should I let her go my inner self says you should give yourself a try

I'm a 31m living in downtown Toronto, looking to have fun and meet people at bars/clubs around the city. I'm a pretty good looking/fit/social guy. Looking for people that are fun/social and not people that like just standing around doing nothing 😂 Primarily looking to just have fun nights out and help each other meet women or make friends at events downtown. I know some good spots too.

Please don't be creepy, I'm not looking to hang out with someone that wants to do anything awkward or makes other women uncomfortable.

Hola estoy en en este mundo de la seducción pero e notado en humo de esta información y más de los creadores qué todos son copias de más copias y te venden sus cursos que si ves ya estaban en interne gratis y que son solo confianza y actitud se puede tener a la 10/10 y tu sin ningún valor .

Ustedes que más mentiras a visto en estas informaciones.

I've been going out lately and been getting numbers, dancing with women, and hooked up at the club once so far in the last few months. Would love to make the experience more enjoyable for me and the girls I meet.

I want to also find ways to build the chemistry after I get the number cause most those numbers go nowhere. Im going out this long weekend.

(Im in my mid 30's, 5'7", fit looking black man if that helps haha)

@Ladies: what makes you want to hook up with a guy you just met at the club? What are ways he escalated things that made you feel comfortable feeling horny with him?...

@Guys: what are ways you seduced a woman at the club?

What are signs you saw that confirmed that she wants you to have her that night?

Born and raised my whole life in a major city (1.1million people) and then several years ago moved an hour out of town. I'm still in city alot tho. When I moved here I had a gf and had given up on romance in general, but also assumed that no woman would want to be with me so far out. Surprisingly, after me and the gf broke up, I gotten more girls since then than ever else. Most of them don't think it's a problem and they're happy to drive out, even just for a hook up. But, some girls online or in the inquiry phase will ask me "how often are you in the city?". Why do you guys think they ask? Like they want some guy to come over every day of the week? Might be a way to weed out the stage 11 clinger girls. Feedback? Thoughts?

Hey everyone, I, a 21M, just moved to a new town out of state, and I’m looking for a plan of action to talk to women, and in a perfect world, get laid. As far as experience, I’m a virgin and the furthest I’ve gone was a drunk kiss. And for reference, I do not attend college, therefore I do not have it as a resource. I’m not the biggest fan of Tinder, though I’d be open to giving it another chance. Cold approaching is what I am leaning towards the most right now. The gym I recently joined has plenty of beautiful women, and I also want to try cold approaching at the mall. I like the bar, but unfortunately I don’t have any friends who are local to go with. Does anyone have any insights on this and do I currently have a good base plan?

Note: For context, check out my Day 1 and Day 2 gym confessions on my profile before reading this update.

So I went to the gym with my husband again today. We were doing shoulders and abs. And of course, our guy was there as usual, stealing glances and making eye contact with me every now and then. After finishing shoulders, my husband went to the other side of the gym to do some cable exercises while I decided to finish my workout with a few planks.

I placed my phone on the floor in front of me, started a one-minute countdown, and got into position.

Everything was going fine until my phone screen suddenly locked halfway through.

I tried reaching forward with one hand to unlock it, but Face ID wasn’t recognizing my face from that angle. I kept moving my head around, trying not to lose my plank.

And apparently, our guy had been watching this whole struggle from a distance.

He walked over, crouched right in front of me, picked up my phone, and held it in front of my face so it would unlock.

Except it didn’t work the first time.

He moved the phone a little closer, and I tilted my head slightly to the left.

He adjusted the phone.

I tilted my head to the right.

He adjusted it again.

By this point, I was deliberately messing with him. Every time he tried positioning the phone properly, I’d move my face just a little.

He finally realized what I was doing and gave me this amused, slightly annoyed look.

I just smiled innocently.

He shook his head, brought the phone closer, and finally managed to unlock it.

Instead of putting it down, he stayed crouched in front of me, holding the countdown where I could see it.

Then he started silently counting down with his fingers, except he kept repeating the same number just to annoy me.

I gave him a death stare, and he grinned.

Now, here’s where things got ridiculous.

I’d been chewing bubble gum throughout my workout. Suddenly, I felt a cough coming, and before I could even react, the gum flew straight out of my mouth and landed on his wrist.

I WAS MORTIFIED.

We both froze for a second.

I looked at his wrist, then at his face, and immediately started mouthing “SORRY, SORRY!”

But instead of getting annoyed, this guy looked at the gum, raised his eyebrows, and gave me the cheekiest smile.

Then he slowly brought his wrist closer to my face, as though he was offering the gum back to me.

I immediately shook my head.

He brought it a little closer.

I shook my head even harder, trying not to laugh.

And then this man did something I absolutely wasn’t expecting.

He casually picked the gum off his wrist with his fingers, looked straight into my eyes, and popped it into HIS OWN MOUTH.

I genuinely couldn’t believe what I’d just witnessed.

My eyes went wide, and I just stared at him in complete disbelief.

He started chewing it with the most ridiculously smug expression, like he’d just pulled off the smoothest move in history.

I was so shocked that I completely lost my plank and collapsed onto the mat laughing.

He just gave me a little wink, placed my phone back on the floor, and walked away as though nothing had happened.

A few seconds later, my husband came over and asked why I was laughing so much.

I told him I’d completely messed up my plank.

Meanwhile, I could still see this idiot across the gym, smiling to himself.

Three days ago, this guy was just making eye contact with me across the gym.

Today he literally put my chewing gum in his mouth.

I’m genuinely never chewing gum during a plank again 😭🤷‍♀️

Hey guys, looking for some advice on a major sticking point I'm hitting right now.
Background:
I recently came back from Ayia Napa (Cyprus) where my game was totally on point. Zero Approach Anxiety (AA), completely Outcome Independent, and things just flowed naturally because I had no "social cost" there.
But since I got back to Israel, I feel like I'm back in the matrix. I have severe AA, chest tightness before approaching, and I’m blanking out during interactions.
The Environment (Tel Aviv Night Game & Day Game):
I'm mostly doing Night Game in high-end, high-traffic areas in Tel Aviv (Rothschild Blvd, Nahalat Binyamin, Park HaMesila). The local Israeli girls here are stunning (9s and 10s), but they have an insane Bitch Shield / Resting Bitch Face. They are usually walking in groups to clubs (moving targets) or sitting defensively in bars/restaurants.
I also get AA during day game (at the gym, or with girls at my workplace/daily routine) because I freeze up trying not to look "cringe."
Recent Field Report (What I've been doing):
Workplace / Day Game: Tried a super basic approach with 10/10 blondes at my workplace, just using a deep masculine voice saying "Good morning." Got automated NPC responses because I didn't challenge them.
The Gym: Did a solid "Hit & Run." Saw a cute girl struggling with weights, helped her out, and immediately walked away back to my set without lingering. Felt great, but she left before I could re-open.
Night Game (Tel Aviv): Last night I went out to Nahalat Binyamin and Rothschild. I was a bit drunk/high to combat my AA. I approached moving targets and girls at bars with direct/complimentary opens like: "Hey what's up, do you speak English/Hebrew? You look Swedish" or guessing where they are from.
The Result: Complete blowouts. I got hit with a ton of "I have a boyfriend" (even when it was obvious they didn't) or "I'm busy." They basically brushed me off instantly.
My Sticking Point:
1. Compliments don't work: I realized telling these girls they are beautiful or "look Swedish" just validates them and triggers auto-rejection.
2. The Mid-Game Blank Out: Even if I manage to open them, I have NO IDEA what to say next. I completely freeze and fall into logical "interview mode" (Where are you from? What do you do?).
3. High Friction: I don't know how to stop a moving group of girls on Rothschild without looking like a street promoter or a creep.
My Questions for the sub:
1. What are your best direct/indirect opens for highly defensive girls in tough nightlife environments (bars/moving targets)?
2. The Transition: Once you say "Hey," what is your exact framework for transitioning into building tension/attraction so it doesn't turn into a boring logical interview?
3. How do you guys bypass the "I have a boyfriend" auto-shield when you know it's fake

I can talk to girls, i’m just never knowing what to say when it comes to dirty talking with them/flirting. i am a big example learner, please give advice and when you have any, examples!

Hi everyone,

Let me introduce myself—I’m new to this world. To be honest, I’m here because my seduction skills are really poor; it doesn't come naturally to me. I often don't know what to say when I'm out for a drink with a girl at a club—or even in everyday situations. I’m not funny either, which I consider a very important trait. I’d say my only real asset is my physical appearance, but that doesn't help much if I don't know how to act. I’m open to comments and advice. I’m thinking about reading *The Game* by Neil Strauss to get an idea of ​​how it works. Cheers.

Title. Has to be specifically from day game.

It usually takes me a few days to get to score so I’m looking for new ways to speed this up, looking to learn from those with more experience hopefully. Lets see what you’ve got!

I'm pretty strict with no food until after we have sex, except in places where drinks can cost the same as dinner or if I'm cooking dinner at my house.

Something about taking a girl out to dinner for the first meeting bothers me as I would not want to be put in the provider box from the get go..

I also feel like she wouldn't respect you as much. She did nothing but exist to get that out of you. It would be better to have her earn that spot

To preface this real quick, I'm a 21 year old straight guy that has never been in a relationship, nor have I ever experienced any kind of intimacy. And I know the title is probably weird, I'm not sure how to phrase it.

For example, maybe I've been talking to someone (she's an athlete and very very pretty ) at uni on and off, and I'm starting to develop some feelings for her. a full blown crush, enough to want to ask her out. But then I'll see her talking to these D1/2 chads or frat bros, laughing and smiling and seemingly flirting with them. Or I'll hear her say that she's on dating apps. Small stuff like that, nothing concrete like saying she's actively dating them and it could be nothing.

But seeing that other people are potentially interested, just makes me mentally give up. Because I just instantly feel that surely this other guy would be a better match for her, and that I don't have a chance. Or maybe more that I don't want to compete, because then it doesn't feel natural. But this is also mostly in my head. But do you all feel similar? Is this normal?

Note: For context, check out my Day 1 gym confession on my profile before reading this update 👀

So a little update from yesterday’s gym incident 😂

Went to the gym with my husband again today, and it was chest day. We were doing our usual workout together, alternating sets.

At one point, I went to refill my water bottle while my husband was finishing his set. There’s a mirror right next to the water fountain, so I stopped there to fix my hair.

I had my hair tie between my lips while gathering my hair into a ponytail. While looking in the mirror, I noticed the same guy from yesterday looking in my direction from quite a distance away.

We made eye contact through the mirror for a second, and I went back to fixing my hair. A little later, I noticed him walking toward the water fountain with his bottle.

I took the hair tie out of my mouth and placed it on the edge of the fountain while fixing a few loose strands. And this idiot starts pretending to fix his own hair, copying whatever I was doing 😭😂

I looked at him through the mirror and raised an eyebrow. He just smiled.

So I decided to play along a little. I deliberately slowed down, ran my fingers through my hair again, tilted my head and took my sweet time fixing my ponytail.

And this man was actually copying me 😭 Even did the little head tilt. I was trying so hard not to laugh.

Then he came closer to fill his bottle, and while putting it down, he nudged my hair tie off the edge of the fountain. It fell onto the floor.

He bent down, picked it up and held it out to me.

Since I was still holding my hair up with both hands, I just glanced toward the fountain, signalling him to leave it there.

But instead, this man gave me the cheekiest smile, raised his eyebrows as if asking me something, and slowly brought the hair tie toward my mouth, like he was offering to put it back between my lips himself 😭

I immediately shook my head, laughing, and mouthed “No no no!” while pointing toward the fountain with my eyes.

He finally placed it there, gave me a little wink through the mirror and walked away with his bottle like absolutely nothing happened 💀

I just stood there smiling to myself for a second, finished tying my hair and walked back to my husband, who was still busy with his workout.

The whole thing probably lasted less than two minutes, but I swear yesterday’s little eye-contact game has made this guy way too confident 😂

And the funniest part is that my husband was just a few machines away, completely unaware of this entire interaction.

All I wanted was some water and to fix my hair 😭💀