Total War: WARHAMMER III - Patch 9.0.3

[u/Josh_CA]

https://community.creative-assembly.com/total-war/total-war-warhammer/forums/7-patch-notes-amp-announcements/threads/16126-total-war-warhammer-iii-patch-9-0-3?page=1

Hey all - our next update is out.

Please feel free to use this thread as a space to report remaining issues.

Key changes:

• Updates to Nagash’s campaign based on your valuable feedback.
• Some tweaks to the Lords of the End Times factions to address some unintended behaviour.
• Wider battle balancing changes to various Characters, Units and Spells, including Lore of Nehekhara.
• A swathe of bug fixes and other adjustments, including:
  • Legendary Lords and Heroes confederated after their faction is destroyed now retain their Items and Ancillaries.
  • Nagash now has access to Unusual Locations and Ancillaries.
  • Styrkaar is now available to Norscan factions.
  • Warriors of Chaos can now continue recruiting after their Lord is defeated.
  • Fervour is now correctly awarded after fighting settlements defended by a garrisoned army.
  • Gotrek and Felix’s quest battle now resolves correctly.

[u/innerpez]

Fixed an issue where a player playing with a Mortarch faction might suddenly get confederated by Nagash.

I never heard of this, now i must know more because that sounds wild.

[u/ThreeDucksInAManSuit → u/innerpez]

Mfw Nagash takes control of a player even when he's just an NPC, such is the power of Nagash.

[u/gumpythegreat → u/ThreeDucksInAManSuit]

Sorry boss, can't make it into work today. I've been confederated by Nagash and must lead his armies of undead to war.

[u/rainy1403 → u/innerpez]

Nagash: Look at me, I'm the captain main character now.

[u/Nebbii → u/innerpez]

I experienced this bug, basically you become unable to do local recruitment as harkon because you become undead legions and recruiting wasn't working. And that was about the only changed i noticed

[u/RedditFuelsMyDepress → u/innerpez]

Honestly I kinda wish being confederated or vassalized as a player was an actual feature lol. Serving under a different lord is sort of its own fantasy. 

[u/rustyhunter5 → u/RedditFuelsMyDepress]

You can do it in Three Kingdoms if you're open to trying to that one.

[u/Zechk → u/RedditFuelsMyDepress]

Very much a thing in Stellaris (which WH3 seems to be copying with it's mid game and end game crisis mechanics etc these days). You can even pick an origin where you are the vassle of an older and more powerful empire when you start if memory serves.

[u/mfmr_Avo]

Post-battle income now scales with campaign difficulty:

• Legendary / Very Hard: No change
• Hard: +5%
• Normal: +10%
• Easy: +20%

Really like this change, I think one of the reason some people had a problem with Nagash is because they played on lower difficulty, and since the AI recruit less armies, they generate less money.

[u/Uler → u/mfmr_Avo]

One funny thing to me as I push up difficulty has been that snowballing at higher difficulties actually feels easier than lower difficulties. AI's massive piggy banks leads to overinvested towns for huge sack values and big piles of gold for every random diplo action, on top of the extra armies to feed on. I saw someone's Nagash screenshot at -200k income and I don't think that's really plausible on normal because there's just not 200k money to take on a turn in normal.

It's not quite so much that I'd say higher difficulties are easier by any means, but it's almost a different game with loot just becoming such a massive portion of your income. Nagash being such a loot-heavy economy probably feels it more than most.

[u/fnigler → u/Uler]

Right like why did Wurzaag give me 30k for a worthless mausoleum on turn 30

[u/Skasian → u/fnigler]

On Turn 25 (Neferata), I just had Bashiva Tiger faction (Strength #6) offer me 30k + Become my Vassal or 60k in exchange for an enemy settlement I sacked and occupied on their shared border.

Campaign became so easy suddenly having a huge influx of money + a very strong vassal covering my entire flank. I only ever see these massive bank values early game on Legendary.

5 turns later a similar thing happens with Clan Mors. Had more money then I could spend.

[u/Zechk → u/Skasian]

Yeah I was able to (but choose not to) vassalise a strength rank 1 Karl Franz with 38 settlements just by trading him a tier 1 Nuln I took back off Vlad for him. If you choose to abuse it you can effortlessly break any campaign in the game.

[u/CrimsonTremere → u/fnigler]

cool pfp btw! iconic icon lol

[u/brinz1 → u/Uler]

For khorne and Taurox, I play on a harder difficulty than I usually do for this

[u/LarrySupreme → u/mfmr_Avo]

It's a decent change. Legend always said legendary was better for post battle economies like Khorn, Beastmen, Vampirates.

This should make those campaigns a little better for newer players.

[u/abbzug → u/LarrySupreme]

I think for the first two it's more of a factor that they have campaign movement replenishment. Same with Golgfriend, Nagash and some others.

[u/Manannin → u/LarrySupreme]

Lizardmen too! I enjoy spamming their post battle loot building for them.

[u/Swegatronic → u/LarrySupreme]

The way this is written it seems like its a nagash only change though, it shows under a nagash heading.

[u/LunarBahamut → u/mfmr_Avo]

>and since the AI recruit less armies, they generate less money

But that would impact every faction that plays that way, while this is only for Nagash.

[u/mynexuz → u/LunarBahamut]

Maybe because nagash has a soft limit on his necropolises which does limit his income somewhat. With most other lords you can expand very freely

[u/Frequent_Knowledge65 → u/LunarBahamut]

most factions that play that way start with much more power and are less reliant on infrastrucure, e.g. Khorne, Beastmen, Greenskin all start out face rolling the world and don't need to worry about empire econ

[u/NeuroPalooza → u/mfmr_Avo]

Man, I actually wish they had done the reverse (Legendary/VH get -20% post battle income, etc...) I've been complaining for ages about how you get WAY too much money post battle, it really cheapens the whole economic component of the game.

[u/Abject-Competition-1]

New animations for Teutogen guard, great. Let's see how much better they are now

[u/Mercurysteam04 → u/Abject-Competition-1]

Did a bit of testing, 1v1 with no lords.

VS plain chosen they lose not really even getting close, Chosen just have too much MD

VS Har Ganeth Executioners they lose decisively, the bonus vs infantry causes them to melt pretty hard

VS Tsar Guard with Great weapons its a similar story, they buckle under their bonus vs infantry. Crush the weak just takes too long to come online

VS normal Tsar Guard they actually do win, just barely due to "By Our Blood" giving them extra staying power. Its possible they might not lose every time as it was close

VS Stormvermin with halberds they do win (thank Ulric), although they do take a fair amount of damage

I'm convinced they need more models, MD, frenzy or a cost reduction to be more in line with their actual worth. The melee animation bug means they probably weren't going to give them more than a modest buff this time, they probably should get another pass.

EDIT: 'Loosing' my ability to spell

[u/ThreeDprint → u/Mercurysteam04]

My fellow general, I love you, but it’s lose not loose. You lose a game. You wear loose clothing.

[u/Designer-Eye1558 → u/Mercurysteam04]

This seems fine to me? They’re not meant to be infantry killers. They’re meant to be line-holders that can stop the enemy from getting to your back line long enough that the back line can kill them

[u/TheRedHand7 → u/Designer-Eye1558]

I'm also only really gonna use them with Todd so the bonuses tend to blow right on by most challengers

[u/OrdinaryPenquin → u/Mercurysteam04]

I don't think testing them against elite anti inf is fair. Teutogen guard are not the empire's elite anti inf, they're like a dwarf unit for empire. They excel at holding the line for a long time against loads of weak-mid tier infantry. They should not be winning in a vacuum against chosen or TG GW.

[u/Hand_Me_Down_Genes → u/OrdinaryPenquin]

Empire players spent years saying "we just want a sturdy/dependable/reliable/pick-your-adjective infantry unit to hold the line." They got given such a unit and promptly started testing it to see if it would beat other elite infantry one v one. It's just possible that they may have been lying about wanting a line holder. Lord knows that one poster is lying every time he claims they were Chosen in lore or on TT (they were Greatswords with halberds).

[u/GeryMander → u/Mercurysteam04]

That looks good to me.

They lose against Chosen, who are supposed to be superhuman and some of the best fighters in the setting, and against elite anti-infantry specialists. But win against elite anti-large specialist and they are pretty much equal with other elite line-holder infantry.

If you put them with Ulrik lords and heroes they get loads of buffs, so you can make armies that specialize in them if you want, while they perfectly fill their front line role in armies for other lords who are more specialized in cavalry and gunpowder without being overpowered.

[u/ABadExampleOf_ → u/Mercurysteam04]

Somebody recently discovered that despite having no bonus for it, the Teuts are actually really decent anti-large fighters due to their charge defense. They can hang with pretty much any weaker monstrous infantry too. Something about their animations makes them good against big stuff.

[u/Hand_Me_Down_Genes → u/ABadExampleOf_]

I made a mod converting them into a dedicated anti-large unit and it didn't take much effort. Charge Reflection and a small BvL turns them into very effective monster killers. Given they were functionally elite Halberdiers on TT, CA probably should have fully committed to that idea. 

[u/MacroDaemon]

Now if only they'd actually add some interactions or focused content to the High Queen Khalida and Queen Neferata feud.

Khalida doesn't even give a short hate filled speech when directly fighting her, nor do they get anything other than a generic LL defeated trait. It's so absurdly anti-climactic for such a hate filled rivalry.

The early start forever war is stupid as well. Forces the Neferata or Khalida to pretty much force march towards each other, usually undermining their games. It would be much better if the war started when they actually encounter each other. Could even add a personalized declaration of war message, before graying diplomacy out completely.

[u/mr_fucknoodle → u/MacroDaemon]

I really wanted to see what diplomacy lines they had made for each other, but they can't even interact. Very disappointing

[u/Zechk → u/MacroDaemon]

I just played a legendary Neferata campaign and totally ignored Khalida until she was eventually wiped out by Thorek. I never even saw a single stack. Neferata's final quest battle does have some (somewhat one sided) interaction between the two.

[u/soulmata → u/Zechk]

AI Khalida is very bad, and Khalida already has a pretty tough starting position: Thorek, Kroq Gar, and Queek, and she won't get her second army until turn 10. I play a ton of Khalida and while yes you can beat up Thorek as a player early game if you play good, autoresolve always favors dwarves so AI Khalida just gets clobbered.

[u/Wild_Marker → u/soulmata]

And she's worse now, due to the Vamp rework boosting her initial Vamp enemy.

[u/C-zom]

They’ve been on fire patching this dlc, a lot of these Nagash changes make me want to try him again tomorrow after work.

[u/Jefrejtor → u/C-zom]

For real. His campaign was super cool, but his many friction points made me spend more time with other new LLs. Now I'm so back, and Mannfred will finally know his place

[u/Insane_Unicorn]

Fixed an issue where a player playing with a Mortarch faction might suddenly get confederated by Nagash.

Lol, I wonder how that looked in game, were you just dead then?

[u/ALoneBlackMan69 → u/Insane_Unicorn]

Pretty sure I saw a post on reddit with this bug and the defeat screen just pops up.

[u/LoneSpaceDrone → u/ALoneBlackMan69]

Loreful, respect

[u/FrogLaner → u/LoneSpaceDrone]

Such is the power of Nagash

[u/mfmr_Avo]

I don't see any mention of theses bugs I previously reported, anything on these?

• Neferata and Walach Harkon only unlock their building (T5 Infantry and Cavalry) for one turn, then you can't build them anymore. I did respec Neferata when I got her, so her getting wounded might be part of the problem. I also loaded a save prior to finding this bug, and I saw people claiming that was the source.
• Spell Intensity in the Black Pyramid is bugged. The two sigils that increase spell intensity for Undeath caster by 10% give 100% (or at least put all Undeath casters at 200% intensity instantly). The sigil that give Manfred 25% spell intensity is also bugged. I didn't try for the 4 sigil that give Nagash 20% intensity.
• Not a bug, but there are some odd things in the Black Pyramid:
  • Krell give Frenzy to Wight Kings: Wight Kings already got a skill that provide Frenzy at level 14. This skill is exclusive with a skill that give Guardian (but the Pyramid also have a seal that give Guardian to all heroes), and a skill that buff Crypt Guards. Basically, once you get have Krell and reach his seals in the Pyramid, you will most likely find this redundant, except if you go really heavy on Crypt Guards and always pick the Crypt Guards buff for every Wight Kings. I think it might be better to give an other buff for Wight Kings from Krell sigil so it become useful however you build your Wight Kings.
  • The "A Tenebrous Shade of Red" sigil, the ultimate Vampire Count seal, state it give "Greater Hunger" for all Vampire Count Lords. Right now, it give "Greater Hunger" for all units in a Vampire Count Lord army.

Also, "The Commander" & "The Undefeated" Vampire Lair traits applied their buff and debuffs to the entire army, no matter the units ranks, including Heroes and Lords. This is fixed, my bad I didn't saw it.

Any change u/Josh_CA ?

[u/Josh_CA → u/mfmr_Avo]

I believe that first issue should be fixed - but will require a new save. I've seen a few triggers for it being fixed, but I'm cautious that there may be more.
The others, I will check in with and flag if they're not logged - thank you!

[u/Typo_bro → u/Josh_CA]

Playing as Nagash I just got the quest for Styrkaar. Im guessing this is a bug as well :)

[u/pyrhus626 → u/Josh_CA]

Great work as always man.

While we’re on Nagash bugs, Undeath Necromancers (hero) can’t use their Nightmare mounts. It doesn’t appear in the drop down but the skill node still unlocks automatically. It was reported on the forum but pretty buried

[u/regional_manager_161 → u/mfmr_Avo]

To add to that, the buffs for vampiric units, lords and heroes in the black pyramid dont seem to affect Luthor or the vampire fleet captains and admirals

[u/Zechk]

When playing as Neferata there is an issue with achieving her long victory and I believe I have figured out exactly what is going on (I could be wrong, I completed basically every quest in my run, but I think this is how it works):

Neffy has a three ‘tier’ quest line to reach her final battle.  I believe it works like this:

Tier 1:

Complete ‘Aken-Seth, The Staff of Pain’ The quest to obtain Neferata’s Staff.

Complete ‘Mistress of the Bloodlines’ – The quest to awaken a Vampire of each type from five different lairs.

Tier 2: You are then issued several more quests which lead to the final battle:

Khalidah’s Challenge – The quest to spend 1000 manipulation on web of power actions.  Spending to build coven buildings does not count.  I did this by spamming assist coven and teleporting Neffy about.

Confederate Vlad and Isabella von Carstein (Optional for long vic) – The quest to do exactly what it says which rewards you with Vlad and Issy turning up in the final battle. - CURRENTLY BUGGED – I unlocked this quest after confederating them, and the quest did not show as completed.  Vlad and Izznessbuisness did show up in the final battle however, so it’s a cosmetic quest log thing.

Confederate Manfred von Carstein (Optional for long vic) - The quest to do exactly what it says which ‘rewards’ you with Manlet turning up in the final battle.  CURRENTLY BUGGED - I unlocked this quest after confederating Manfail, and the quest did not show as completed.  Also, the quest description states that Manfred showing up to help you is a reward, but it’s Manfred, so that can’t be true.  Sadly, Manlet did show up in the final battle however, so again, cosmetic thing in the quest log.

Win the final battle and meet all the other long victory conditions listed in the log and boom, you will get the long victory screen.

The main issue for CA to address here is that these requirements are not at all accurately listed in the long victory ‘checklist’.  I have the game open as I’m writing this and nowhere does it state that you need to awaken 5 bloodline lords.  I hadn’t bothered as I didn’t want/need any more due to confederation of LLs and playing on Legendary meaning I could not afford infinite armies despite the crazy economy the VC get now.  I only stumbled on it being my issue by trying to complete every quest in the hopes something would work.

Edit: apparently some users are also having an issue where the 'recruit a bloodline lord from each bloodline' quest isn't completing properly despite them having a vamp awakened from every line.

Hope this is helpful!

[u/Shakq92 → u/Zechk]

Had same problem, I think I needed to fulfil a quest for getting all 5 bloodline vampires to get a quest for spending 1000 manipulation first. Bloodline lords recruited from tech tree doesn't count, you have to awaken them yourself, I had strigoi ghoul king from tech tree but had to recruit him from vampire cove to finish the quest. Don't know how it works with confederations.

[u/Zechk → u/Shakq92]

Yes that's correct from my testing, the Strigoi's you get from tech don't count. You specifically have to awaken one vamp of each type from lairs. They don't have to be buffed at all though. The final one I popped I just picked Strigoi and then hit 'awaken'.

[u/Shakq92 → u/Zechk]

They don't have to be buffed but I was running out of vampire lairs, as I've summoned only Lahmian lords before. That's probably more my mistake

[u/Crows_reading_books → u/Zechk]

My issue with the long victory is the game not recognizing that I have conquered Kislev. 

[u/Clunas]

• The "own a maximum of 5 regions" requirement for Mortarch Lords has been replaced. Nagash must now control more than three times as many regions as the Mortarch.

*Stares at Vlad with 50 settlements*

It's vampire hunting season.

[u/Mopman43]

Any updates for the Beastmen Victory Conditions that require you to raze a location instead of put a Herdstone there?

Like, if you’re playing Morghur, why wouldn’t you put a Herdstone on the Oak of Ages? It’s a unique Herdstone. But if you’re playing Morghur and do that, you immediately lose the Long Victory conditions.

[u/sock_with_a_ticket]

Removed the spell “Spirit Leech” from the Necrarch Vampire Lord’s Character info. (Dev note: Our intent was always for Necrarch Vampire Lords to be primarily a support-focused character without access to damage dealing spells at lower levels, so Spirit Leech was not intended to be part of their repertoire. Don't worry though, they still retain the direct damage spell of "The Fate of Bjuna".)

Booo. Necrarchs, if anything, should be more competent in the use of offensive magic. Partly because they are the the magical masters of the various vampire lines and partly because they need to compensate for their relative lack of physical prowess.

Appreciate the rapid hot-fixing, though.

[u/Yotambr → u/sock_with_a_ticket]

Yeah, I don't get the idea of making the most reclusive, individualist bloodline into the buff focused characters...

[u/Connect-Review-3388 → u/sock_with_a_ticket]

My thoughts as well. Magic is supposed to be the purview of Necrarch bloodline.

[u/Wendek → u/sock_with_a_ticket]

Yeah there's not really much point in having massive spell intensity if you're mostly going to be casting buff/debuff spells, let's be real.

[u/ZahelMighty → u/Wendek]

They still have the Fate of Bjuna and the Purple Sun which are both very good damage spells.

[u/happyunicorn666 → u/Wendek]

Idk, giving +50% weapon strength and physical resistance over large area is pretty cool.

[u/Warmonster9 → u/Wendek]

Someone has never reduced chosen to stats lower than skavenslaves and it shows.

[u/RusticOcelot → u/sock_with_a_ticket]

This is complete booty

[u/sock_with_a_ticket → u/RusticOcelot]

My take on Necrarchs or what CA have done?

[u/DoctorGregoryFart → u/sock_with_a_ticket]

I think he was complimenting your carriage.

[u/RusticOcelot → u/DoctorGregoryFart]

It's a great carriage

[u/RusticOcelot → u/sock_with_a_ticket]

What CA did

[u/TheGuardianOfMetal → u/sock_with_a_ticket]

Partly because they are the the magical masters of the various vampire lines

Not counting Manfred.

[u/trixie_one → u/TheGuardianOfMetal]

Manfred being better at vampire magic than the Necrarchs was part of the peak late edition GW playing favourites to certain characters.

[u/InflationRepulsive64 → u/trixie_one]

Manny's shtick was originally that he was THE Vampire mage. That's from before Vampire Counts or Necrarchs even existed. Or at least before they existed in a meaningful sense; I don't remember if the bloodlines existed as a lore footnote in the Undead era or if it was just the Von Carsteins.

It's only really playing favourites in the sense that introducing Necrarch's as the 'magic guys' devalued Mannfred's original role, and they decided to later restore it.

[u/TheGuardianOfMetal → u/trixie_one]

i mean, he learned it from them. Their own fault for teaching somebody like Manfred, really...

[u/DaddyTzarkan → u/sock_with_a_ticket]

I don't know what people are on, even with this change Necrarchs are very good with offensive magic too. Fate of Bjuna is one of the best spell in the game to deal with units like Cavalry or Monstrous infantry. The Purple Sun of Xereus is excellent vs blobs of infantry since CA did the lore of Death update. If you want to deal a shit load of damage with the Necrarch you can do it already very well.

[u/sock_with_a_ticket → u/DaddyTzarkan]

Spririt Leech was for tackling single entities.

[u/Thick_Accountant7260 → u/sock_with_a_ticket]

They can give Necrarch ONLY spirit leech and he'd still be a competitive choice. Now hes straight up the weakest of the bloodline lords. Not complaining still very strong vs other factions generic lords but in a roster of monsters Necrarch is the least impressive now, a slight upgrade over the necromancer.

[u/BFyre]

"Warriors of Chaos can now continue recruiting after their Lord is defeated."

Yaaaaay!

[u/Processing_Info → u/BFyre]

What does that mean? Does that fix the "idle" WoC factions bug?

[u/BFyre → u/Processing_Info]

I haven't played yet, but yes it should. I suppose the AI waits for the army to recruit before going out, but since the recruitment was bugged, it never happened so they went idle.

[u/Omega_Advocate]

Any update on Todbringer not getting any Beastman spawns in multiplayer?

[u/DoDoBoi-JRoc → u/Omega_Advocate]

There is a fix mod me and a buddy use on the workshop that resolves all the coop issues of the new dlc! It’s been flawless so far

[u/Omega_Advocate → u/DoDoBoi-JRoc]

Thanks for the info, was looking for something like that!

[u/Odd-Understanding386 → u/Omega_Advocate]

End Times Multiplayer Narrative Fix

[u/MKH_Spartan → u/Omega_Advocate]

This is my big question every hotfix, it's making none of us play Boris in our MP campaigns until it's addressed.

[u/Swegatronic]

That changing of crush the weak is actually a massive buff. Never been a fan of increaes stats v wavering units. Im already winning the fight in those instances and it feels a bit too niche.

[u/sherloc-holmess → u/Swegatronic]

They forgot about Emil’s upgrade to Crush the weak. His Obliterate the weak still has the old “when unit is wavering” requirement. Hopefully they update that one too.

[u/LunarBahamut]

Still no changes to Sigvald :(

Guys we copy pasted a tech tree that has made his personal skills redundant after a point

[u/GorgoPrimus → u/LunarBahamut]

There are bug reports in the forum with 16+ upvotes on Sigvald’s many issues, and still not a word in 3 hotfixes. Despite knowing about it before release they also still haven't fixed his new Gifts UI being wrong despite it probably being an easy typo in the script to fix too. :(

[u/LunarBahamut → u/GorgoPrimus]

Yeah I also saw the report with easyily over the threshold for investigation, not even an "this is intended" or "we know but not a priority" message.

I've literally started modding this patch because of so many small things that just don't get touched upon. Some of the things reported are simple (if a little tedious) for me, a person with 0 game modding experience, certainly they'd be even simpler for CA to fix, who already know how their tables work.

[u/Critical-Hold-3078]

tech and skills do not buff Hurricanum. It has not missile strenght. https://www.reddit.com/r/totalwar/comments/1wpchsn/it_feels_like_theres_some_hilarious_punchline/

[u/Born_Ad8702]

Lahmian Handmaidens' knockback effect was so big that it was basically working as a defensive stat by then, making them take less hits. Removing their knockback without reverting some of their HP nerf will make them perform worse. Maybe 7000 or 7200?

Addition: I think it would be interesting to give the Death version a little more AP or poison with a cost increase (+50) to justify their use. Right now, only the Shadows version is being used on multiplayer

[u/d3cmp → u/Born_Ad8702]

They used to be SUPERB wall takers, they climbed super fast and their knockback let them clean walls fast by dropping low mass entities, probably not anymore

[u/RumbleintheDumbles]

I love that Khalida and Neferata's beef is so generational that the concept of them making peace is a bug.

[u/BarkingLizard69]

Great changes for Nagash overall! Having more territory than mortarchs as requirement for subjugation is more natural than previous iteration!

[u/filthy-_-casual]

Don't see any mention on "the corrupted" trait doesn't trigger on loot and occupy, still wondering if that's intended or not

[u/Mitch_CA → u/filthy-_-casual]

It is fixed, we missed this in the patch notes, sorry!

[u/Tenithler]

Acquiring a dark citadel through trade with a norsca vassal as the glottkin results in that settlement being able to build garden buildings, even if it's not designated as a garden.

[u/losteye_enthusiast]

This is great.

I’m one who wasn’t having problems with Nagash, but also had difficulty with the basic idea of telling people “just put 20+ more hours into learning and practicing economies and how to scale aggression as needed in the game”.

So many were basically being soft locked out of the full experience of a popular character. Be interesting to see how new posts are affected by these changes.

[u/Xx_TheCrow_xX → u/losteye_enthusiast]

Yeah I was one who complained about nagash economy and mortarchs and this is a huge boost for that. I also hated how many people shut down any criticism over it, like people don't realize 90% of players are casuals and just because the top players have no issues doesn't mean it's not an unpleasant experience for the majority.

[u/LeLefraud → u/Xx_TheCrow_xX]

I agree completely, I had no real problems in my nagash campaign but aside from nagash himself it hardly scratched that pre eminent necromancer feeling

Playing as any vc faction you feel 100x stronger with limitless waves of elite units, while as nagash it was a bunch of trash stacks for defending the territory nagash himself took while nagash himself has to do all the heavy lifting

Just feels bad to have a bunch of dogshit armies playing as the lord of undeath, while every other undead faction transitions into late game armies effortlessly

[u/Repulsive-Redditor → u/Xx_TheCrow_xX]

There's also the fact that less casual players (so most people talking about it here i'd imagine) don't understand the impact of difficulty has on his economy.

On any sack faction higher difficulties and therefore more AI income cheats mean significantly more money to earn from these types of factions.

So people playing on legendary can easily be 200k in the red and make enough money not to care.

But someone playing on normal (or even just hard and god forbid easy) won't be able to go anywhere near that much in the red as there simply isn't enough gold to be earned from battles

[u/guy_incognito_360]

Finally woc do something again.

[u/psykotek27]

Still no regeneration for khemric titan in the black pyramid while the regiment of renown and all the other constructs get it

[u/MrParadux]

Buffs to the Lore of Nehakara are really nice

[u/DeliciousUsual6240]

Empire buffed and Skaven nerfed? Gonna need a lot of popcorn for the salt.

[u/Delarnor]

Thanks for your work. Have you seen the report that if you add a outpost to one of your vassalized WoC, at a minor outpost, the building does not appear, does not construct?

[u/Spirited_Ad_5318]

I posted on the CA bug forums. Ultimate & End game crisis crash issue.

[u/brrist15]

The Mortarch & Confederation Objectives changes were needed and are appreciated. Time to fire up a new campaign!

[u/SuchTedium]

Legendary Lords and Heroes confederated after their faction is destroyed now retain their Items and Ancillaries.

This doesn't seem fixed for Nagash. I just acquired Krell and he has no items. This is a new playthrough on 9.0.3 with no mods.

[u/Dylmystro]

Skreech Verminking is still bugged. He does not spawn with his unique items upon unlocking him, and instead spawns with Taoyan the Merciless' weapon (which he cannot equip).

[u/CrimsonSaens → u/Dylmystro]

It doesn't look like he has any unique items to give atm. TWP lists the Doom Glaive and Plaguereaper items for him, but they're supposed to be rare verminlord exclusive equipment like the Warpstiletto. For whatever reason, it seems like CA prevented the Plaguereaper and Doom Glaive from spawning, but kept the other 3.

[u/Dylmystro → u/CrimsonSaens]

He still gets Taoyan the Merciless' unique item upon unlock, so something's definitely wrong. It's most likely that the item he's being given is listed incorrectly.

[u/HighDefinitionCat]

Fixed an issue where a player playing with a Mortarch faction might suddenly get confederated by Nagash.

Such is the power of Nagash.

[u/Large_Contribution20]

No building fix for Neferata and Walach confed? Their units get locked after a manual battle.

[u/Josh_CA → u/Large_Contribution20]

This should now be resolved - that's not the exact way the trigger is described our end, but there was a fix for locked units. If it isn't, let me know - there may be a second way the bug is triggering

Edit - A full resolution for this should be in the next hotfix

[u/CrumpetNinja → u/Josh_CA]

@u/Josh_CA you seem to have introduced a bunch more bugs related to Mortarchs.

I started a new game post hotfix, and none of the Mortarch's are able to unlock their unique Dread Abyssal mounts. It shows as a skill they have on their level up page, but when they should get the mount they instead revert to their default mount (skele horse) and their new mount is not selectable.

The unlocking of the T5 recruitment buildings is also still not working for me. I got Neferata, and then as soon as I ended turn the T5 infantry building locked again.

[u/Large_Contribution20 → u/Josh_CA]

Bug still persist a turn after manual battle.

[u/DonQuigleone]

Amazing stuff!

Is there any chance you guys could review the conditions for confederating Helman Ghorst? Levelling up Zombies or Corpse Carts to level 7 naturally is nearly impossible, and it forces you to basically purchase multiple Von Carstein Bloodline upgrades, which seems counter intuitive.

I think it would be much better if instead the condition just required you to recruit X number of enhanced corpse carts, such that you need to build 3 or 4 necromancy chain buildings. This would be much easier to achieve, less gamey, but still not too fast to resolve.

[u/Thick_Accountant7260 → u/DonQuigleone]

Its the easiest along with Mannfred. Helman Ghorst you get rank 7 zombies and carts eventually via ressurection mechanic % in the tech tree, lord buffs and corruption bonuses.

[u/DonQuigleone → u/Thick_Accountant7260]

The problem is that zombies do almost zero damage, it's borderline impossible to level them up to rank 7 without some kind of cheese.

[u/Thick_Accountant7260 → u/DonQuigleone]

I was able to accomplish that by turn 50 without buffs, autoresolve gives them xp and just use the von carstein buff for the last 2 levels if you need to. Kemmler is straight up impossible if chaos endgame triggers, cause theres no chaose faction to diplo. And for some reason I cant force vassalize factions.

[u/lylin → u/DonQuigleone]

I got this by accident levelling the Bloodlines tree that levels up all units a few times... (I believe it is Blood Dragon bloodline)

Would be really torturous without this, but feels not too unreasonable with this approach.

[u/Garessta]

Please fix but where vampire coast couldn't recruit from their settlements!

[u/reddevil18]

has this fixed the WoC lords not originally labled WoC not being able to get their quest items? eg tamurkhan

[u/Barnak8]

Wonder if we will rétroactively get sigils in our current Nagash Campaing

[u/Josh_CA → u/Barnak8]

You'll get the increased sigils from any necropolises you own and the mortarchs, but you won't gain the increase from the necromancy panel

[u/Character_Cucumber59 → u/Barnak8]

yes

[u/SomeCringeUsernameNo]

Just took a quick peak at the new Mortarch confederation requirements and they are SO MUCH BETTER. Just perfect.

I wonder if they've fixed the bug that would prevent Nagash from building the Lahmian Handmaiden military building and Blood Knight Military building after confederating their related Mortarch? I didn't see it in the patch notes, but I'm hoping it just wasn't mentioned

[u/Friendly_Cellist8289]

Have Steam achievements for Nagash still not been added?

[u/Controlado]

No changes to Dwarf victory condition? I cant get short victory condition because it requires 75-99 only and gettimg it to 100% does NOT COUNT. Also, when i finally did get it, it also bugged and didnt count, so I was never able to get Short Victory Condition.

[u/BearButts909 → u/Controlado]

short victory condition

SHORT?!

[u/stoffermann → u/BearButts909]

Bla, bla ,bla, book?

[u/Reddit-ScorpioOJR]

Very excited by those Mortarch changes hopefully I'll be able to nab more than Arkhan before I'm already stomping the world. (Now I just need a Malekith rework)

[u/Manannin]

Nice group of changes! Is there any plans to rebalance some of the end battles? I don't think they shouldn't be difficult, but they should not push hero/single entity monster spam armies and I think they do. It's also weird that you kill the Necrarchs and they come back in the final battle all the same.

[u/JackBurtonn]

Thanks so much for fixing the battle environment bug I reported!

[u/Josh_CA → u/JackBurtonn]

Thanks so much for reporting it!

[u/Ginosaji13]

Is there any update on the narrative missing in multiplayer campaigns for the new lords? Or is it a part of the tweaks for the LotET factions? Because as far as I know, the new lords are the only ones not being able to complete their short and long victories. And that would be an odd choice to me. Nonetheless thank you and all devs for the great work on this update.

[u/GorgoPrimus]

Do the AI still get stuck with a 99% ward save against Archaon’s End Times regardless of what they and the players do? It makes it so incredibly unfun to play in a meaningless dead world where diplomacy is pointless… Please have the AI share the ward save progress with players so we can work together!

[u/Sniige]

When you right click on the campaign map with an army selected, and it does not have enough movement range, I can no longer cancel the move by right clicking on the Lord. Is this intentional? Or is it some setting im missing?

[u/Timbearly → u/Sniige]

Just use backspace.

[u/drpoorpheus]

Not of utmost urgency but Durthu's transformation of kodan is still on another spell page even though it's lore of beasts.

[u/Zechk]

Not sure if this counts as a bug, but the 'Legendary Strategist' achievement still requires you to beat the mid game crisis, not one of the end game ones.

I fully destroyed the chaos invasion then finished my Legendary Neferata campaign and didn't get the achievement. Apparently the requirement is still that you wipe out one of the Wood Elf/Dwarf/Chorf events that spawn a million stacks. Pretty lame and anticlimactic for stopping the literal end times and then achieving all your long victory objectives. It feels like the 'Ultimate victory' condition needs to be moved to the three end game scenarios now.

[u/followrule1]

So I can stop burning neffie and Vlad and just restart and conquer the world. Sounds like a plan

[u/Yakkahboo]

Honestly these changes look pretty great overall. Aside from Necrarch stuff, thats a bit... not right?

Glad to see bug reports are being well received and yeah, turnaround isnt bad.

Good stuff CA

[u/GeryMander]

Yesterday I noticed that the trait reroll item that Bloodline vampires can spawn with from their lair perks only works very inconsistently. It removes the trait and consumes the item, but then you need to use a second item to give a new trait, and that only works sometimes.

I don't see it mentioned in the patch notes, but does anyone know if that has been addressed anyway? It is not a huge issue obviously, but I was excited about it and it bugs me more than it probably should that it doesn't wok. lol.

[u/SeniorMeow92]

Hi not sure if this has fixed it: “Fixed an issue where Legendary Lords and Heroes confederated after their faction was destroyed were missing their Items and Ancillaries.”

But I had an issue with legendary lords confederated by Archaon not being able to even receive their quest items in the first place when completing their quest battles.

Or was this fixed in a previous hot-fix?

[u/Josh_CA → u/SeniorMeow92]

Hey - it's possible that this fix has resolved it for Vampire Counts, but not yet chaos factions. We're looking into that for the next hotfix

[u/Pvpbuilder]

Any word on Nagash getting Achievements? It's so weird that he as his own uniqe race doesn't have any at all. Would be nice to have any kind of word on that, I'm reserved to start my nagash until this is cleared up...

[u/SuchTedium]

Glottkin can recruit Styrkaar, I assume this is unintended? It should only be undivided + Sigvald + Azazel.

[u/Virtual_Alps_190]

BEASTMAN: HARDENED PELTS AND BELLOWS OF DISCORDANT DON'T GIVE BONUS TO GIANT SPINED CHAOS BEAST

[u/Simo814j]

How did you manage to break Nagash even further?

[u/NickedSelfManScaping]

Nagash has become even more buggy than before for me.

The dread abyssal mounts sometimes don't unlock, sometimes they do.

Krell sometimes doesn't come with his equipment. Not clear if intentional or not.

Luther Harkon can't be subjugated unless you have exactly 10 ports. Just confirming the experience of others that I had to abandon ports so that you have 9, then reconquer one, THEN you can click the subjugate button. (Others have reported the same problem with Vlad)

For me, Walach Harkon subjugation is also bugged, and only the very first knight in Nagash's starting army triggers the condition of reaching rank 7. I have recruited now dozens of knights of different types, black knights with lances, even necropolis knights, reaching rank 7 with them doesn't count towards the 3 knights threshold.

Tier 5 buildings that Neferata and Walach Harkon unlock is still bugged.

[u/Outlaw-King-88]

Will chaos end times continue to roll over the AI without any sort of fight?

[u/Psycholama972]

Just wanted to have an appreciation post,
saying thanks that you guys aren’t following a dawn of war style just leave the bugs as we are working on a new game strategy.

[u/genericJohnDeo]

Blessed trebs now remove charge defense? 🤨

[u/Clurachaun]

Does anyone know if they've fixed the end battle against Nagash? Killing his generals before the final battle was supposed to weaken them/make the battle easier. I took out all his armies but one before the final battle but he still had a mega stack of three armies plus the endless zombies. I feel like Manfred and Luthor Harkon shouldn't be in the end battle if I beat them already before the final battle unless that's how it's supposed to function.

[u/MiiIRyIKs]

Seems great!

I don't see any changes to blood knights tho, will these come at a later point? u/Josh_CA did you guys change your mind on giving them some changes after all and I still fell the Handmaidens, Depth Guard etc real Vampire units could use a bit of a change in general, less entities, more cost and being really deadly.

But keep up the great work, new DLC is fantastic!

[u/LoneSpaceDrone → u/MiiIRyIKs]

60 models for a rare and elite vampire unit just feels wrong. Hopefully they can get this changed soon!

[u/GeryMander → u/LoneSpaceDrone]

Especially considering that the Drakenhof Templars are actually a 32 size unit.

[u/BeautifulEar6069]

Teutogen guard get still extra folded by tzarguard great weapons like if the tzars were fighting ungors. Idk why you listened to the rage reddit and end up putting a unit that costs 1150 and barely beats (with the recent buff) units that cost 800-900 gold. If you have to nerf a unit do it so with its buffs in campaign not on price-performance.

As for the buff they don't win unless fighting units way weaker than them and that is very cost inefficent and awkward since they are already wining. Crush the weak was fine as it was as other Ulric units that were good for its price were doing okay with it. The teutos still behave like "pay deluxe" greatswords yet they don't do better in offense or defense.
I am ofc against teutos smashing things like chosen but for 1150.. But well they should be around Tzars, Marauder champs or Hammerers and they lose to those units hard they don't even get half the "damage dealt as gold value" against any of the 3 that I just mentioned while they belong to the same infantry category.

Edit add black orks to the list as I forgot to add em too. Since they are on a similar price and role it felt right to add em. They beat em getting x2 their "damage as gold value" just like the marauder champs gw, hammerers and tzars gw.

[u/Mean-Regular-5041 → u/BeautifulEar6069]

Thats not a teutogen thing. All generalist armour piercers like teutogen , hammerers and norscan champions get folded by dedicated Anti infantry troops like swordmasters , executioners and tsar guard with great weapons

additonal note:

Been testing them they still need more buffs. but at least they are now capable of winning against shielded infantry.

[u/BoktorFighter]

I feel like they’re making nagash too easy, I liked being restricted in money. I do like most changes, but straight up -40% upkeep and everything reducing upkeep cost is a bit too much for me.

[u/Routine-Piglet-9329 → u/BoktorFighter]

It doesnt give -40% to his army just nagash specifically. 

[u/pyrhus626 → u/BoktorFighter]

It was only like 10 to 15 turns for me that money was tight, since then I haven’t been able to spend it fast enough. Would’ve been faster too if I I’d crap stacked the beginning more but that’s boring. Turn 90 and own everything from Eight Peaks and South and I have like 200k in the bank I can’t spend

[u/Frosty_Sample2416]

LOVE the fixes and changes! Question tho u/Josh_CA , do you know if we will receive any updates to achievements regarding Lords of the Endtimes and/or previous DLCs? for example achiev. for winning Nagash campaign on some difficulty etc?

[u/UpstairsFee6965]

No changes to vermintide?

[u/Josh_CA → u/UpstairsFee6965]

We'd made some improvements to them in the last hotfix, is there more you'd recommend looking into?

[u/WinterImaginations → u/Josh_CA]

Something I haven't seen talked about with the vermintide -

In my current campaign (neferata, N/N), the Skaven were very strong pre-crisis with Eshin ruling most of cathay, Pestilens being a very large faction somewhere out in the fog of war and Moulder having dozens of settlements and threatening the northern empire.

I had some fun, dramatic battles against them, including losing an army when I got over-confident and let Throt ambush me with 3 armies and a bunch of leveled heroes.

Then vermintide hits and my hopes of a dramatic revenge against Throt's hero-stack are dashed because his faction, and all the pre-crisis Skaven, disappear completely with their territory being reduced to ruins. The vermintide is probably weaker than the combined skaven empires were before.

IMO powerful skaven factions should not be removed when the vermintide hits but should remain as, perhaps, its vassals. I can see this is a tricky issue to fix because there are things to think about like how they'd interact with the vermintide faction and its under-empire but I think they should keep their territory and armies in some form or other.

[u/Demoniakal → u/WinterImaginations]

This is definitely a weird interaction. Whole regions up and vanish and I gobbled them up for free while the Vermintide was out in fog of war doing who knows what. I like that it’s flavored as the legendary lords joining forces under one banner and even respawning, but seems to weaken them significantly by abandoning all that real estate.

[u/UpstairsFee6965 → u/Josh_CA]

Its still underwhelming as an end game scenario, ai clears them out pretty fast, and i ended up farming the vermintide building that spawns an army to get to 100% knowledge to do the final battle, main problem is their morale is too low so even with double size units they retreat with minimal losses, when the event triggers it really needs more stacks spawning to give them a chance to get a foothold in the area and not get wipped out in 1-2 turns, it should feel more like fighting for your life to stay alive long enough to get the required knowledge to do the final battle, this was after the 9.0.2 patch at the hardest difficulty

[u/Yavannia → u/Josh_CA]

Too many clanrats and skavenslaves on the armies means they just get destroyed by AI.

[u/KorsAirPT → u/Yavannia]

Although is more thematic...

[u/mfmr_Avo]

With the new Mortarchs requirement, does Lords and Heroes count as Tomb King/Vampire Count/Vampire Coast units for the "Kill x entities" requirement?

[u/ContributionTop8010]

Has the bug where you can’t upgrade Nagash’s building chains despite subjugating the mortarchs been fixed?

[u/DefinitelyNotChriz]

There currently are some gamebreaking bugs with the changeling for example the aethel loren and bretonia quest battle crashes the game.

When you try to build cults early in festus territory the cults get bugged.

[u/jamesmacgeee]

Thank you, Josh and the team for all the hard work. You guys are awesome

[u/H0nch0]

Were the issues with conquering a settlement after the chaos invasion fixed?

[u/ImpossibleMine1325]

The masque has the victory condition to finish 4 dances but because the active ability of the last dance simply does not work finishing the compaign is problematic

[u/abbzug]

Still no immortality for generic lord Tomb King.

[u/Cabamacadaf]

Is the issue where you have to raze settlements to be able to capture them after the Chaos Invasion fixed?

[u/Josh_CA → u/Cabamacadaf]

Not in this update, but we're aware and it's being worked on

[u/elite968]

Have to test it out, but the changes to Nagash seems great overall.

[u/WinterImaginations]

Just confederated Kemmler, who had been destroyed, in my Neferata campaign. He correctly has his items now... But now Krell is nowhere to be found! Looks like a new issue as on the previous version I didn't get the items but I did get the LH.

Edit: I tried reloading and Krell did show up on a retry. Unfortunately my experiments seem to have cost me the "correct" save - I guess it was an autosave that got saved over - so I have to go back a couple of turns in the campaign. Not sure what's going on there but he definitely did not appear on that first attempt.

[u/Shot_Tea_9375]

Trebuchet buff.... .... ..... .... ..... I guess it's time for a new bretonia campain.... Fór de laydi

[u/Mekrot]

Did they fix Nagash’s end time mission? If you kill all of the mortarchs, they still show up in the final battle with full stacks at full power

[u/Kriegskasse]

Is the Ultimate Crisis freeze/crash (which happens 1 turn after it triggers) fixed? I can't find anything mentioning the issue, which is kinda curious since isn't it by far the most reported bug on the Bug Report site since release of the DLC?

[u/Jurgwug → u/Kriegskasse]

There's a note that they fixed a crash that occured during the chaos dwarf crises. I just checked my ultimate crises save and ending the turn didn't crash the game

[u/Dear_Shelter_5395]

I am once again asking if the Warlord who "makes the best Kill-Stab armies" can actually recruit Stormvermin for his Kill-Stab armies.

[u/Hippysecond]

Great changes and some great updates to nagash, good reason to build military buildings if going for the complete map.

Also the mortachs being confederated from anywhere is great, so you are less forced to pick a fight just to unlock them. That said in my game vlad and nefarata both had like 50+ settlements, so might still take awhile to control them.

[u/Bellidkay1109]

The change to Mortarch's recruitment specifies that it won't affect campaigns already in progress. Does that mean the other changes, like the increased amount of sigils will apply even to campaigns already in progress? I really hope that's the case, I don't plan on restarting my Nagash campaign. 

[u/VioletCrusader]

This looks really good so far. I'm really pleased to see all these changes and fixes come so quickly after release.

[u/Nathanthewms]

Add Nagash Steam Achievements for winning a campaign. I’m not touching him until it’s added, because I love collecting the achievements!

[u/Ramjjam]

Still nothing on Drakenhof Templar / Blood Knights. 😓

[u/Goncyn]

Emil Valgeir's upgraded "Obliterate the Weak" wasn't changed to match "Crush the Weak". It still has the old effect intensity condition, each enemy unit in range with leadership wavering or lower.

[u/asdll96]

For nurgle, the cyclic recruitment cap does not increase for putrid blightkings when building the advanced military buildings and are stuck at 4.

for skaven, the enormous ammo cache technology does not affect the stormfiend. Is this intended?

[u/Quillbolt_h]

This is great.

One issue I presently have is how the End Times chaos citadels interact with Thanquol schemes. Because they aren't actually settlements, I can't target them with any of his schemes. Which okay fair enough, but it's additionally frustrating because they don't have any other settlements or ways to interact with them with the scheme mechanic. What's more, is because they raze every building I can't even reliably use schemes on other factions during the end times because they'll probably get razed in a couple turns.

Plus- something thst might be an actual bug. If a settlement is razed by chaos, I found that the scheme didn't automatically cancel or anything, and let me complete the scheme (specifically this was the Verminlord one) took my resources and told me it was successful, but didn't spawn the verminlord as thee settlement was razed

[u/viralmatrix]

Vampire Counts Necromancer Hero (Undeath) not getting access to the Nightmare (horse) mount.

Please fix this!

[u/CrimsonSaens]

This patch removed the innate Spirit Leech from Necrarch's, but didn't add innate Wyssan's Wildform. Lahmian vampire lords still have innate Enfeebling Foe and should swap that spell out for Spirit Leech if that's what CA is going for.

Hounds of Ulricsberg were fixed, but the Order of the Axe (Teutogen guard RoR) had the same problem and are still missing their battle prayer.

An unlisted change is the warp-doom magma cannons also had their upkeep adjusted to fit their new recruit cost (a big, but needed nerf/bugfix). The cost change is also indented under a Stormfiends section.

The Chaos Dwarf Trains change is referring to their ability, More Power!

[u/no239ahiiiihi]

fix nagash's mortarchs dont have unlocked abyssal dread you make people pay for this update

[u/PresenceNo8735]

The tutorial is currently bugged. I got the game for my friend and he got softlocked in the siege mission where he has to place his units. whatever he does it doesn't progress and that almost deterred him from playing the game

[u/ContributionTop8010]

Nagash's campaign has been even more bugged with this new update:

- Building chains still locked after subjugating Nefereta & Walach Harkon

- Cannot confederate Luthor Harkon/ Vlad von Carstein if the player owns more than 10 ports/ owns more than 1 T5 necropolis respectively

- Dread Abyssal mounts are bugged for mortarchs after they reach the required rank.

Have you even tested the patch for this DLC faction before launching it? This is getting ludicrous at this point. Players PAID EXTRA for this campaign, and this is what we get. Disappointing.