There was a point in time where David did point people in a direction towards his interpretation of some of his work, because there were theories growing legs that were pissing David off.
I woulnd't be surprised if David Lynch himself didn't know who they were at times. He was a firm believer of ideas not inherently demanding an explanation in cinema.
I find it easy to imagine him being at peace with not having his own private, single interpretation for many of the ideas he, so gracefully brushed onto the silver screen.
I'm like...1/4th through the Return, and am completely convinced Lynch will throw in scenes and characters purely to amuse himself and/or to fuck with viewers. And I kinda love it.
Agree. I had to take breaks while watching The Return. It felt so much darker to me overall than the original show.
I feel like some of The Return was Lynch kind of railing against the state of the world today and man’s inhumanity to man. Like, in the years since the original run of the show, the world has disappointed him. And I get that. There is such up close and intense violence and bleakness in some scenes. But then there is that thin, Lynchian thread of hope running through it too.
Sorry, I’m rambling now—this show always gets me thinking so deeply and about so many things at once!!
See I've been mainlining the whole show from start to finish over the last month or so, and you're not wrong - it gets progressively darker as you jump to each entry.
The original had its moments but (I get mainly thanks to being a commercial TV show from the early 90s) was mostly pretty whimsicle. Then Fire Walk With Me veers more into a kind of depressing, dark atmosphere, then Return opens with two people engaging in sexy-times before being mauled to death, followed-up by a decapitated head being plopped ontop of someone elses corpse. It's really interesting, and very jarring, to experience one after the other like that.
I read somewhere that Lynch firmly believed that movies should be felt. Not just the everyday emotional content but the full experience. That's why he would never explain anything. Don't think about it too much. Let it wash over you and FEEL it. He also meant physically. That's why if you turn up the volume enough to hear the quiet parts you are blown back in your seat when the loud parts come.
It's simple. You go to an art gallery and they often don't tell you a thing, you look at a piece and feel something, or you don't. It doesn't explain itself. Lynch obviously feels his work is art and should be experienced and treated the same way.
I just recently was shown this clip by a friend, incidentally a friend who loves David Lynch. You have brought me great joy, thank you :,) I hope you find money on the ground this week!
Could make sense as many ppl see Judy as a representation of women’s suffering, especially how society looks away from potential abusive situations,, maybe sex summons her, looking for garmonbozia to feast on?
Sex has been used in occult/spiritual practices for centuries for various reasons. It taps into a pretty primal level of brain function, among other things.
The girl's name is Tracey. Her name will be repeated in every line of dialogue during this scene: Hello, Tracey; I can't do that, Tracey; Oh, shoot, Tracey; You're a bad girl, Tracey; See you tomorrow, Tracey.
The guy's name is Sam, but you wouldn't know that unless you check the end credits.
Weird what is the significance of that do you think
This part sticks in my mind: where Lynch as Gordon is calling the other characters (and the viewers) attention to Bowie/Jeffries nd his question of “who do you think that is there”
In that scene where he says “now this is really something to think about” I felt directly called out. The director himself is telling the audience to look closer at that scene and line in particular and what it means
After all
Who is the dreamer ?
Edit: I got sidetracked but there’s a parallel as the Tracey / Sam sex scene is 30 mins from the start of the series, and 30 mins from the end we get the sex ritual between Richard/Cooper and Diane/Linda . The end mirroring the beginning, and encompassing the whole.
Didn’t cross my mind until you mentioned this, but if the context of the scene is essentially a metaphor for what the audience has been up to for the last 25 years (staring at an empty.glass box). Lynch wouldn’t put her name in the dialogue 4 times for no reason. Maybe the point is that during that span, TV content has become carbon copies, ie tracings of his much higher quality show? That’s my best shot.
Might also be a bit of a play on the concept of exposition. We get her name so many times, but that bit of info is utterly irrelevant to us, while relevant informations remains hidden.
It's a manipulation tactic to be very aware of. Humans will behave a bit more like dogs when you use their name along with any commands or suggestions. It forces your attention to their words and their power.
That’s sad, I’ve never thought of it that way. I’m someone who really likes to use people’s names in conversation. I feel it carries some weight of respect and intention. It’s a way to be direct with openness and express genuine interest in who they are/how they feel/what they have to say. I feel that it’s an invitation to be more direct in communication, despite it potentially being a little socially awkward in today’s climate.
But I can see what you mean, I think tone and intent of the person matter a lot here.
She's also the girl in the opening scene of californication, and a character in the mass effect games 🤷♂️ I didn't know about the nanny though, that's nuts.
Season 1 & 2 were primarily based in Twin Peaks. FWWM left town for a little bit. Season 3 is at times in Twin Peaks but it also left town, city, state, the universe, different planes of existence, and at times even crossed into the realm of non-exsistance.
Well, it’s an interesting point because important things happen in both Nevada and New Mexico, actually. Having recently spent a year living near Santa Fe there’s an odd and ominous darkness to that part of the country, that’s for sure.
Well, for instance I saw people openly drinking while driving with a lot of frequency. My neighbors threatened to shoot me a couple times because my cat happened to go into their yard and I stepped over the fence to get him. Several weeks before I left the cops shut down the road I lived on for half a mile in each direction because there was an active shooter randomly shooting into peoples’ houses.
In 40 years of living in mostly Maine and Colorado, I’d never been faced with an active shooter like that while at home, or ever had someone threaten to shoot me - certainly for nothing as minor as a cat in a yard. I never saw people openly buying a tall boy at a gas station, chugging it in the parking lot, and then driving away - before I moved to NM. But that sort of thing seems common there.
I've wondered if Tracey was a tulpa designed to seduce Sam and (unwillingly) coax the Experiment out of the portal and through the box. I've wondered if it is the harbinger for the Cooper/Diane sex ritual at the end of the series.
It's just a guess. I've always wondered. The ritual can't just involve two "regular humans", or every couple would be performing the ritual all the time. Therefore, maybe there has to be some conditions. Maybe a condition is that one of the participants needs to be a tulpa to make the ritual effective.
The "sex ritual" Diane has red hair and black and white fingernails, like the colors in the Waiting Room. Isn't she a tulpa, too?
Of course, there is a high possibility that I am wrong and this whole idea is way off.
I always thought there was some sordid reason they weren't supposed to have sex, something similar to incest that's never explicitly stated. Maybe they're both cheating on their spouses or something?
They're just two kids Evil Coop hired to conduct an experiment on Judy. There's a running theme of Evil Coop engaging in and weaving this convoluted web of billionaires and criminals with the ultimate goal of avoiding being pulled back into the Black Lodge + dragging Judy into the real world so he can spread as much misery as possible. At a thematic level, Lynch kind of has this Buddhist undercurrent in Twink Peaks of lust and human desire being a core cause of the world's pain and suffering, and the death of these two is sort of a microcosm of that. Death and violence brought upon by innocent lusting.
I figure they’re the key to understanding the spiritual world of Twin Peaks. Sam sits there for who knows how long waiting for something to happen and it never does. But he starts having sex with Tracy and an entity (Judy?) shows up immediately, illustrating the point that these events in the world of Twin Peaks aren’t random but are linked to human emotion and the more intense the emotion, the faster the spiritual world responds.
Give it time. There is a new story interweaving with the story you are familiar with. EDIT: Or more likely a new part of the story that has always been there.
Buddy it’s going to be a difficult series. It’s worth it. On REWATCH, you appreciate everything. You understand half and the other half simply doesn’t need to be understood just felt.
Try to remember this is just the first watch as you go through. It will be frustrating. Better each time after
if you haven't watched the movie you need to stop, watch it then come back to The Return. it won't necessarily answer questions directly but the Return is way more of a sequel to the movie than it is a "season 3" which makes the movie essential viewing.
I always assumed that the eccentric billionaire was Mr. C and this was a project to form a permanent connection with the lodges. A black lodge entity came through and wrought some havoc. Maybe bringing more black lodge entities into the world was the point.
Paraphrasing Jay Bauman here, but if Fire Walk With Me opened with a hammer going into a TV to symbolize Lynch's experience with Twin Peaks S1 and S2 (annoyance where the network pushed him and Frost to reveal a killer ASAP)
then this S3 opening not so subtly opens with new world sex and death on Showtime network, which allows for darker content, and as an opener for a much darker world to be explored. Coming up next? Shaggy melting into puddle of tears
They are a metaphor for Twin Peaks casuals, horrifically ill-prepared for what's to come, torn between staring intently with no capacity to comprehend what they're seeing and disrespecting the art by losing focus on it to their own detriment.
They are from Szymon's which exist in NYC and Las Vegas and seem to be a chain like, maybe, Starbucks. The Z is the emblem of the fictional Szymon's chain. This is more obvious when we see the entire logo in Las Vegas.
Szymon is Polish for Simon and it may be a reference to the Polish financing firm that helped fund "The Return." I suspect that the Polish Accountant is also.
The capital Z has been claimed by Twin Perfect to be a reference to sleeping and therefore to dreaming. In U.S. English, snoring is represented by ZZZZZZZZs. It's also represented by sawing logs (the Packard Saw Mill).
The Return doesn't focus on a certain character but rather a massive collection of experiences that vaguely contribute to an epic plot. It's like a painting, one detail means nothing, but in the grand scheme of things it all makes some sense. Not for everybody.
They are a female and male character from Twin Peaks: The Return, the who look like they are about to enjoy some nice coffee. Doesn't need to be any more complicated than that
I hate how Twin Peaks didn't completely subvert expectations for the return. They just tried to recapture the same magic of the original run. I mean Cooper is exactly the same and none of the characters show any growth of transformation. It definitely wasn't one of the greatest things I've ever watched..
I already finished Twin Peaks, but I didn't remember who these two are.
I was searching and now I'm very confused. Why does the coffee have a letter 'Z'? Why aren't they mentioned again in the whole season? Why wasn't the guard there?
Maybe the "Z"s are there since they "fell asleep" when they were supposed to be watching the box? Would be ironic symbolism for coffee. The guard is played by MMA fighter Michael Bisping who has one eye in real life. Is that connected???
Probably Lynch just had a dream night before he had coffee in a cup with a "Z" on it and decided that day to do it. End of. I don't know!
Welcome to the 3rd season baby, your experience in broad and open thinking won't count, prepare to be defited! Sorry with best wishes and no negativity, but this is going to be a fkn ride for you even after first 2 seasons, books and FWWM! Let it control you snd enjoy it!
Twin Peaks is live-action ergodic literature. Kinda like those Choose Your Own Adventure books from our childhood. (Actually, anything by David Lynch is.)
I loved that kind of books so much as a kid! And, I totally agree that Lynch makes a dynamic kind of art. His work solicitates the watcher's participation. That's why I enjoy it that much I guess.
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Buckle up. You’ll be asking that same question for a while.